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I have to say it...
I can't believe how AWFUL i find this show...............
It's like a horridly extended skit from In Living Color....
Nothing but ultra fem, breathy, soft voiced, cackling women.....
Half the dialogue sounds like it was written by a refugee from a 1920's silent film....
"This is perfectly akward..." ???!!!!
We finally get a show... and it's THIS..................
Don't know what's worse - the high school drama club acting, or the one dimensional, cariciture writting............
Hope i dont get pounced on..........
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Re: I'm the last GBM to see an episode of NOAH'S ARC......
Sat, June 24, 2006 - 9:23 AMI truly enjoy the show, in spite of how bad it is or maybe because of it....
While QAF was a better and more well written show... it was very "PALE"
Sex and in theCity and QAF have all white casts and I just don't find it realistic.
Maybe because I consider it a spoof of what it is (or just the eye candy) I enjoy.
So while I agree with what you say (no I won't pounce). I enjoy it.
And relate it in terms of GAY things in general... Boy in the Band, Too Wong Foo, Making love... all were no brokeback mountains...
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Re: I'm the last GBM to see an episode of NOAH'S ARC......
Sun, June 25, 2006 - 11:24 AMAckshully...I think I'M the last GBM
to see Noah's Arc. LOL!
I saw part of the pilot
and a bit of the show. Never a full episode.
I just can't get past the bad acting! I'm glad it's out
there. But it needs some serious work! My sugguestion?
Fire EVERYONE! Start from scratch. I hear Rockmond Dunbar
is gonna be apart of the cast. That may help? They need to think
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Re: I'm the last GBM to see an episode of NOAH'S ARC......
Sun, June 25, 2006 - 1:47 PMRockmond Dunbar, Keith Hamilton Cobb, and I think Raz B is the other guy's name are all scheduled to do guest appearances on the next season of Noah's Arc...you should check out Rockmond in "Dirty Laundry" -
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Re: I'm the last GBM to see an episode of NOAH'S ARC......
Sun, June 25, 2006 - 5:15 PM
TRUE - - i do sure as HELL hope it's on long enuff for that disgustingly sweet, tasty, lil' boy, Raz- B (even hid name makes me roll my eyes - altho thats mostly from being light- headed from the over whelming desire to sink my teeth in him.....)... -
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Re: I'm the last GBM to see an episode of NOAH'S ARC......
Tue, June 27, 2006 - 9:12 AMNope, I haven't seen it at all.
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Re: I'm the last GBM to see an episode of NOAH'S ARC......
Tue, June 27, 2006 - 6:47 PMI was waiting by the television for the first episode. I like to describe the show as similar to "Girlfriends" on UPN, but for us. It's a sitcom. It's not supposed to be deep. The fact that it's even on television is deep enough. Of course, I'd love to see another "Beautiful Thing" or "Making Love" with men that look like me. One step at a time. -
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Re: I'm the last GBM to see an episode of NOAH'S ARC......
Wed, June 28, 2006 - 3:30 PM
Ur the first person to compare it to Girlfriends and NOT Sex In The City.... It just occured to me last nite that if the writing was even half as good, or the charecters even half as well developed as those on GRLFRNDS... it wouldn't b nearly as dissappointing as it is....
Just a little bit of quality control could improve NA immeasurably..... Of course ur not gonna have perfection right out the gate.., but when something is as slipshod as NA is..., i really can't get down with the 'Well at least it's here" mode of thinking.....
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Re: I'm the last GBM to see an episode of NOAH'S ARC......
Wed, June 28, 2006 - 4:55 PMI am not a big fan of GirlFriends I think it suffers also....I'm not a fan of much on UPN other than Top Model to be honest though... -
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Re: I'm the last GBM to see an episode of NOAH'S ARC......
Thu, June 29, 2006 - 10:59 AM
Which is why.., once i got over MY prejudice of UPN and girlfriends....., i noticed from time to time that it really is a moderately enjoyable, funny, often well enuf written show.....
Kinda how "Living Single' was..., not insulting to my intelligence (for the 'most' part, anyway...), and got a few chuckles outta me....
I like the fact that they didnt feel the need to over-simplify or make charecters so one dimensional... Theres no ALL GOOD,COMPLETELY snow white charecter (Noah).. thers no one dimensional, ALWAYA a SLUT charecter (Ricky), theres no clenched ass, anal retentive, wholly stick in the mud charecter (Chance),... so the women on GRLFNDS seem much more real and 'compex' than the stick figures of NA....
And it just occured to me the other nite that i wish the writting on NA was at least as good as 'Girlfriends'....
i am also surprised that most of the comparisons have been made between NA and Sex/City.., as opposed to "Girlfriends... an show with actual colored folks on it...... -
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Thu, June 29, 2006 - 11:07 AMIt still lacks something for me...except for some of the episodes with Jill Scott it just never grabbed my attention. I don't think it's the worse thing ever but it's just not my cup of tea...and maybe I am a bit of snob when it comes to those things. I remember a couple of years ago one of Tyler Perry's plays was at the Kodak Theatre and the thing was sold out and people were clammoring for scalped tickets. That same week I went to go see "Caroline or Change" with Tonya Pinkins (who was nominated for a Tony for the role) and Anika Noni Rose (who won a Tony and will be featured in the upcoming movie version of "Dreamgirls") and it was a great evening of theatre and art to me but I noticed the lack of black folks attending we were all in these little pockets around the theatre...I did like "Living Single" and in the beginning I liked "Martin" although at some point my enjoyment of that show began to fade....I guess I can say that "Girlfriends" just never really struck a chord with me... -
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Re: I'm the last GBM to see an episode of NOAH'S ARC......
Thu, June 29, 2006 - 11:11 AM
I feel u.. I mean it's not at all my fave show..., just considering how bad it easily coulda been, i am often surprised by how much i dont mind watching it, when nothing else is on.....
And i do fid it surprised that they didnt just make the women easily defined charicatures.. u know, the sult, the goldigger, the ditz...... Oh wait................. lol
that IS kinda them.......... oh well.....
But really in general.. i think they did a pretty good job on making those women believable....
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Re: I'm the last GBM to see an episode of NOAH'S ARC......
Thu, June 29, 2006 - 11:12 AM>>i am also surprised that most of the comparisons have been made between NA and Sex/City.., as opposed to "Girlfriends... an show with actual colored folks on it...... <<
I am not so surprised at this Patrick Ian Polk the creator/writer/director/producer said himself he wanted to reflect Sex In The City so I think he got what he wanted...
He said he got the inspiration while attending "The Beach Party" (Los Angeles Black Gay Pride) at one of the parties at "BoyTrade". At the time it was being held at the El Rey which is a converted theatre and the VIP area is upstairs...he was in the balcony looking down at all the men dancing and thought, "why isn't there a show on tv that reflects this demographic"....so I think that was his mindset going in of what he thought it wasn't necessarily an idea to portray the diversity that there is among black same gender loving men...but like with Tyler Perry....I applaud his determination to see it through and attain successful whether I like the product or not....but I think it's important that other voices be heard as well....he (Patrick) was willing to put forth his own money and originally planned to sell the show by direct dvd sales because he couldn't find a network to work with him... -
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Re: I'm the last GBM to see an episode of NOAH'S ARC......
Thu, June 29, 2006 - 11:19 AM
I agrre... I said before that i ABSOLUTELY admire all involved in making the show a reality.., even the questionably talented acting 'talent'.....
It took an HUGE amount of work and etermination to keep pluggin away with this show i'm sure..., with no guarantee that anybody would ever see it.., so i do give them 'props' for completeing and making the show a reality...
But i am NOT one of those who will accept or laud ANYTHING that strikes me as being of very little actual quality, just because it is the 'only' thing out there....
i have the same problem with alot of 'black' aimes or produced 'entertainment'.......
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Thu, June 29, 2006 - 11:24 AMI totally get that...like I said I am probably one of the few people and one of the few black people who hasn't seen any of the "Madea" stuff for that same reason....I admire Tyler Perry for tapping into something and being able to have a vision and produce it but I don't have to personally like it...there's room for all of us I suppose... -
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Thu, June 29, 2006 - 11:30 AM
Yeah.. i guess thats the bottom line, huh.......
So when are we with some discrimating tatses gonna do something thats above the lowest common denominator..................... ???
I expect u'll be moving out here soon, Jair - so we can start a project........
Altho- if it's gonna be film of TV, i guess i should be moving out THERE............
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Thu, June 29, 2006 - 11:34 AMhahahahahah well I am actually working on a theatre piece sort of along the lines of George C. Wolfe's "The Colored Museum".....so you know any OFF OFF OFF OFF OFF OFF OFF OFF OFF Broadway (can we do a reading in your church basement?) venues?? -
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Re: I'm the last GBM to see an episode of NOAH'S ARC......
Fri, June 30, 2006 - 5:36 PM
dang - if i was still dating my ex, he had a club we coulda used....
keeping my eyes open...
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Re: I'm the last GBM to see an episode of NOAH'S ARC......
Wed, September 13, 2006 - 11:27 AMi've never seen Noah's Arc..
not too work'd up to see it , not even remotely interested esp., aft going to discussion groups wit it and the DL chroncles..which where like 'star' fuck festivals ..if u get my drift..
and when my boi friend tries to tell me stuff about it..
i tell him i'm more into the 'drama' of his life than what's on the tube..
so
no you are not the last GBM to see that fluff and stuff..
i think i am..
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let's stamp out EFEMAPHOBIA
Wed, September 13, 2006 - 6:48 PMWhoa, let me put any critique I may have of Noah's Arc aside for a moment. You said, "Nothing but ultra fem, breathy, soft voiced, cackling women..... “ Why did you have to go there? This is a perfect example of the "EFEMAPHOBIA" (a term coined by Patrik-Ian Polk) that is running rampant in the black community. Why is it necessary to judge, look down on or diminish the androgynous or effeminate brothers in our community? -
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Re: let's stamp out EFEMAPHOBIA
Fri, September 15, 2006 - 4:07 PMI'm not saying it IS necessary to do so, Torr...
I'm just saying that a TV show with nothing but one-dimensional, vapid, stereotypical, uninteresting, POORLY written, amatuerish, silly fem charecters does nothing for me ....................
Just like shows with nothing but vapid, self-interested, materialistic, boring white people (i.e. most popular network shows...) do nothing for me .....
And to tell u the truth..., with the kind of back-biting, cunty, vicious, bitchy, self-serving, lying, 2-faced fags that i've come across in my life... I may have a REASON to be 'FEMAPHOBIC'............
NO ONE can take away the experiences i've had in MY life........
But this is NOT to say that the gays i've come across that fit that descripition have been anymore or less worthy of scorn THAN ANY OTHER IMPERFECT HUMANS ..., just that i have NO problem calling them ot for the pack of harpies that they CAN be...........
LET'S REMEMBER IT TAKES ALL TYPES.... and that means it takes all types 2 be FUCKED UP also.............
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Wed, May 27, 2009 - 7:34 PMIt took me a while to get up the nerve to actually sit down and watch NA. When I first saw just a tiny clip of it, the stereotypes just jumped off the screen. I was immediatly turned off and more than a little dissappointed. We wait years for black gay men to be depicted on primetime TV and this is what we get? I was not happy. Well just recently, my cable went out and I was forced into the realm of Netflix instant viewing. I decided to actually watch a couple of episodes of NA. It was surprisingly, not an aweful way to pass the time(once you get past all the finger snaps and head wagging). Truth be told, I would rather have been watching a "Living Single" marathon. I never miss those on TVONE. -
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Thu, May 28, 2009 - 7:02 PMWhat finger snaps? Are you referring to Alex's character? I don't get the "effeminate" thing that folks keep referring to. It's not overly "effeminate" to me. Also, the acting in the first part of the first season was kind of amateurish, but that quickly improved toward the end of season one, going into season two. Also, it's quite different to compare Noah's Arc to anything else to glean any sort of understanding of its "quality" because, guess what, there's really nothing else to compare it to really. -
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Wed, June 3, 2009 - 12:49 PMQuality- while somewhat subjective- is easily comparable in my opinion...
Bad, cheap writing is bad, cheap writing- no matter the subject..... -
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Re: I'm the last GBM to see an episode of NOAH'S ARC......
Thu, June 4, 2009 - 8:42 PMI get your point, but I really don't think Polk was shooting for Cannes Film Festival, here. One show can't be all things to all people.
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Re: I'm the last GBM to see an episode of NOAH'S ARC......
Sun, June 7, 2009 - 3:40 PM... I think you should check your femmophobia, Brotha.
I mean, it IS awful, but not for those reasons. (Production values anyone? Stilted acting? Elementary writing? Somebody stop me now..) -
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Re: I'm the last GBM to see an episode of NOAH'S ARC......
Sun, June 7, 2009 - 7:45 PMThese are my reasons as well. -
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Wed, June 10, 2009 - 3:35 PMYeah.
But you know what? Black gay media hasn't been the same since the mid- to late 90's. -
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Thu, June 11, 2009 - 2:12 AMRight. It seems that amid the "down-low" hysteria, our voices have been pushed into the background. -
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Re: I'm the last GBM to see an episode of NOAH'S ARC......
Sun, June 14, 2009 - 2:41 PMWhether the character(s) is effeminate or hyper-thug, or dow-low, is again, insignificant: it’s all in the writing [and directing] that makes a show good by the observers’ point of view. I’ve watched the first season of ‘Noah’s Ark’ and well………….I was put off by the one-dimensional acting. I wasn’t moved on an emotional level. Again, this is the creator’s [of the show] ideas and expression of ‘his’ black gay community. Actor’s are encourage to bring a script to life. If the writing isn’t good then you can’t expect a good performance by the actors.
Has anyone seen the HBO show “True Blood?” In the first season of this awesome show, there is a gay black character that goes by the name ‘Lafayette.’ I like this actor and how he weaves and combines both the effeminate and the hyper thug brother (with a sense of his African roots) into this character. This dude takes no shit, and I love how he gives his character many dimensions. But then again, Alan Ball (Six Feet Under, American Beauty) is behind this production, and you know you are going to get something new and different (out of the box) from this show, accompanied by a strong writing crew and directors.
Again, behind any great show or film, the one thing you will always hear the ‘Actors’ say is that “we have some really great writers and directors.”
Being a writer and director that ‘thinks out of the box,’ if I were given a project like Noah’s Ark, I would really turn that show around and make the characters more complex and likeable and delve deeper within their souls and bring that to the surface as to what they really covet, with a strong need to be loved, respected and accepted as their core goal to be reached. Because, that's what we all seek outside ourself.
Noah’s Ark has a lot of potential and I hope that potential will be tapped into.
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Re: I'm the last GBM to see an episode of NOAH'S ARC......
Sun, June 14, 2009 - 3:30 PMTerry, that's wonderful that you think along those lines. I, too, enjoy complex characters in film and television or any creative outlet, but it's clear that "Noah's Arc" was meant for a "certain" audience, right or wrong. Most of us who subscribe to Tribe.net are not "Noah's Arc's" target audience even though I enjoy watching and re-watching the show. I find it very entertaining, and though the writers did try to introduce certain issues that are affecting our community, I don't necessarily look to that show for complex plots or thought-provoking outlooks on life .
So, I do agree with you that "Noah's Arc" is Polk's interpretation of how he sees the community, and that's just one filter or lens. However, as is being suggested through the responses on this thread, that doesn't mean that his interpretation shouldn't be criticized and dissected. Finally, as some of alluded, Polk should not get a pass just because he's Black and gay, or Because "Noah's Arc" was 'Logo's' most-watched program. -
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Re: I'm the last GBM to see an episode of NOAH'S ARC......
Sun, June 14, 2009 - 5:59 PM>>>>>>Polk should not get a pass just because he's Black and gay, or Because "Noah's Arc" was 'Logo's' most-watched program. <<<<<<
I agree agree. A filmmaker, TV show creator, or artists' work, should stand on its own merit, and not because of the color of their skin or same sex alignment, or gender. Nothing's worst then being given award winning credit because others have pity on you.
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Sun, June 14, 2009 - 6:09 PMOh......on other thing I want to mention. You look at the Showtime TV show "Soul Food" Excellent. Why.....because their where strong character driven plots and subplots and, the characters had many dimensions which made the shoe awesome to watch. There is a diversity of various African-American lifestyles and beliefs in that show and it was all woven into complex storylines. Everytime I would share this show with my friends (of various lifestyles, races, and sexual preference), they would always find something or someone in that show that they can relate to. Again, the creator and writers of Soul Food were on their toes.
Polk's vision, is his vision.
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Re: I'm the last GBM to see an episode of NOAH'S ARC......
Sun, June 14, 2009 - 6:55 PMI just got the whole 1st season of True Blood... And gotta say... after the never having connected to ANY OTHER show like i ddi with Six Feet Under.... Im more than a lil disappointed with True Blood....
Mainly because of doe-eyed, pudgy-faced, boring Anna Pacquin..... snooooze... She's particularly weak to me.... and her cheesy southern accent comes and goes randomly....
Also the rather juvenile depiction of what a threatening, menacing tough vampires are all so cartoonishly scary... not truly unnerving or eerie....
And im torn on Lafayette..... Again- we are presented with the drug-dealing, money hungry country black....
Not the actors fault...., but still very emporer's new Clothes.... same old thing- except with really bad make up this time..... lol
And the unevenly always angry female cousin of his.... the actress is severely miscast, IMHO... her dead, unemotional eyes make her look just laughable....
Not sure what Alan is thinking... but i'm not getting it this time around...
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Re: I'm the last GBM to see an episode of NOAH'S ARC......
Mon, June 15, 2009 - 6:26 PMOh, how I loved Soul Food.
Well, until that moment when Bird said something about her husband going to college... and I could tell she was confused saying it as I was hearing it because that's not how he was drawn before... and I was like, aw, hell. So I missed the last couple of seasons...
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Re: I'm the last GBM to see an episode of NOAH'S ARC......
Mon, June 15, 2009 - 6:24 PMTerry,
You bring up an excellent point. As a writer... and an actor (at one time), good writing merits good performances. There were many times watching it that I wanted Polk to really reach in and bring me something beneath the skin. Too much here and now, but then, if I want that, I best be writing it, eh?
Lafayette is da TRUF!
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Tue, June 16, 2009 - 3:53 PMComintoit, Bird (on Soul Food) is my favorite also. I love her character because there's no place that she wasn't afraid to explore: especially the ‘lesbian episode’ which I like the way the writers handled the subject.
If you haven’t seen the last couple of ‘seasons’ of Soul Food you can go on line (if in Seattle) and place them on hold at the main public library. They will have any season you want ready for pick-up in a couple of days. That’s how I saw all four seasons.
And yes....'Lafayette is da TRUF.' I like (even though a lot of African Americans see this as an insult), how he's well adverse and taps into his hoodoo/voodoo spirituality. A spiritual practice -- before it was given a negative meaning because of the onslaught of religion -- that many of our ancestors (even if it's calling upon our Egyptian Ancestors) have been lost and forgotten, because many African Americans decided to give up this spiritual pratice out of fear and ignorance, to become Christians.
Terry
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Re: I'm the last GBM to see an episode of NOAH'S ARC......
Sat, July 25, 2009 - 6:28 PMI've never seen it either. lol